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My yamaha amp died a couple of days ago and I'm looking at this amp I have 2 subwoofers and wondering if I can plug both in at the same time

Great video Kpace. I feel the same way about most home theater systems. A really good setup with proper treatments will result in similar outcomes regardless of the company you purchase your speakers from.

I would start by saying keyword Hobby. We all have different entry points and honestly some have no ending point. Events like this are more educational and exposure to offerings generally not seen or heard at a big box store and unfortunately audio salons are far and few these days. My approach is maybe I dont buy the full cart systems being displayed but maybe the Sub(s), Speakers, or Amp. Sometimes the premium tech does trickle down. Final thought is this event grows every year so maybe the next challenge is to set up a few smaller rooms and mix and match High,Mid, and Entry components.

Thanks for this!

6 ohms 100watt amp output and speakers 6 ohms 200watts. Will it be a problem?

a lot of audio is way overpriced nowadays it's ruining the hobby

Thx good video ! Really gave me an education on subs

This is the journey ... Getting " the best for you " at the ' most economic price for performance " possible. Everything is going to make things sound slightly different, ..but 100% important to know oneself .. and decide Enough is Enough.

I’ve almost been tempted to sell my Klipsch RF7 system for Kef Meta but I was worried for - well yes I’d imagine the jump in performance be noticeable, but worth it noticeable? Idk, but the huge drop in efficiency too since I just run things on an AVR which means I’d have to also make a jump to separates… it just seemed like to much..

Rouai

People don’t want that reality lol when it comes to system , I’m happy with my Elysian 2 😊

My takeaway is, find a sale on high end coaxial pro audio drivers. Thanks jtr and ascendo.

Please dont give ur power ratings in 4 ohms osd.

We need to see this at night , headlights and rear lights 😎interior etc please lol

This convention seems pointless how many people really have the money to spend on this come on

Get the MEELOD DK300 max it will climb like a goat!! mine is on the way now. it's $1599.00

Who has that kind of money I'm spending $500 Max on a pair of speakers

Funny, i hav Never been to this show yet. I wanna go but what i hav been thinking u already said - lol... They want Ppl to travel across the country to see a bunch of rooms playing the same demo's.. Being a Retired IMAX projectionist. These shows are Only geared towards the Rich. Which is sad because they are Not producing theater sound. These rooms are missing so much equipment that these shows don't hav. So, they are Not teaching Ppl about True theatre sound at all. Jus playing a movie Loud don't make it better and don't qualify as True movie sound. Their speaker calibration is base on 7-9 EQ band🙄That's a joke. Each speaker in my basement system has a 31 band EQ which is how u do it EQ'ing ur system. Plus, their speakers are basically Highend Audio speakers Not Theater speakers. With the exception of JTR and that's a Big If.. I hav 2 18" Bass Bin Scoops which is the same in the theaters. Spending 5k, 10k, 15k even 20k don't make a system sound great. It's how u tune it. And the best way to do is Manually. Not some built-in calibration that's not all that good to Me.. That's why i tune All my speakers myself. Maybe IMAX spoiled me but i've heard some systems that cost over $50k - $100k. And they jus try to impress u by playing at levels that no normal person would watch a movie like that anyway... Most likely going to this show might be good jus to meet other Ppl in the same hobby but knowing me. I probably won't be impressed at all. 🙂🙂

I’ve only been to Audio Advice Live in 2022. It was the first year and I had a good time hearing what reviewers were hearing but price IS a factor to me. My personal evolution of home theater over the years has been giant. It started in 2001 with a $400 msrp AIWA stereo and turntable, then a 5.1 JVC HTIB for $300 in 2003 when I bought a Mitsubishi 55in projection television. I was the first to go HD in my circle and I loved it. Now it’s 4K 77in OLED with Klipsch speakers, a MAJOR upgrade for myself. I am happy with my current setup and honestly this is probably endgame for me. Sure, the higher priced stuff may be prettier and fancier but it’s just me enjoying my home theater. I’m fine watching a movie or playing a game with what I have.

are these to much for a small room and apartment?

The reason that ALL "no holds barred" sound systems all sound the same, is because there is a THX "standard" and EVERYONE tunes thier systems to strictly adhere to this standard. 100% of the rooms are "treated" and the speakers "equalized" to this end. However, unless you have the money to fully replicate this at your home. The speakers "personalities" will reveal themselves in "your" setup.

Definitely the law of diminishing returns but I think you're also running up against the fact that once you introduce more than two speakers into a system it gets harder which each additional speaker to differentiate the difference in sound and quality. It's why you get away with not install KEF blades in your ceiling.

I would’ve taken the IDMAX over the Sundown. The bass will be tighter and more accurate, way better than muddy, dirty bass.

I find that difference in speakers is much more evident in 2 channel music vs movies.

Most of the time I think you were smoking dope but I totally agree with you on this.

I think the reason they all sound the same it's because they are in the same room environment which causes the same sound. Nice to see the high end but i think only Svs show cased a system that most more owns or will own they should have like that. I bet if they decided to make each room be 2 rooms instead of a single big room it can be will make the vendors set up a more realistic set up. Plus they can get more vendors to display but don't if people would still want to attend to experience an average every day set up.

They should do some rooms that are laid out as a living room or even just the size of a normal spare room like 20x15 or something. And make it a rule that it has to pass WAF if it’s a shared space.

you need a Ebike for you and the wife!!!

I think you are right there are ranges of speakers that are all close. If you compare a Wilson to a mid range KEF you'll hear a big difference. If you are in the same dollar amount the only difference will come with different concepts. So a KEF blade will sound entirely different than a B&W or the Wilson. However if you put me in a room blindfolded I probably couldn't tell the difference from a KEF blade to a Magnapan (with good woofers). I think theater for better or worse are all mid range speakers.

Hopefully Youthman is reading your comments for positive feedback. I’m glad folks are being transparent. It’s nice being able to see and hear the big guns at MWAVE, most of your viewers are saying….its not realistic to the majority of home theater enthusiasts. Maybe a section of the expo showcasing mock living room setups. Some open floor living room, boxed living rooms and bedrooms, garage gyms, etc. I do miss the old days of Youthman but at the same time I’m proud of his accomplishments and growth. Kyle, thank you for having the courage to make this video and speak from the heart. 😎

Dang that dirty fingernails 😖

Well said sir. I’m not sure an audio engineer could tell the difference. I would think most people on your channel have a more modest budget. Great video!

When the time comes for me to drop cash on an HT, I will be going with Danley Sound Labs' SBH10 for the base layer speakers with an SBH20FF crossed to a THmini for the center channel. Since our brain doesn't recognize timbre above our heads very well, I'll just be getting 6 of Perlisten's R3iCs. I'm also hoping to score a deal on 4 used TH118XL's by DSL as well. AND THEN, if I can have it all, I'll hand off the TH118XLs to two sealed 24's from GSG Audio or 2 DTS10s from DSL for infrasonics.

Was that JTR, or was that RTJ?

I don't see a problem with what was shown and brought to bear. I looked at what we saw was an order of magnitude above a Magnolia room at a box retailer. This also provided an opportunity to listen to speakers in different rooms that a local integrator may not have the ability or space to showcase a bunch of different. In my case I did hear a difference in sound which may be attributed to turning/calibration, room treatment, choice of product, etc. As far as budgets this conference is wide open so seeing a wide array of vendors at price points is good and I would have to assume Michael reaches out to the gamut of OEM's and who shows up are those that support the community. In the rooms I could definitely hear a difference in not only base but also tone and clarity in dialogue that it was noticeable. In my case I do have a speaker and treatment set from one of the vendors and it is significantly better than a decent system that I previously had. In my specific project the intent was saving for 12 months for a theater that I would not have to tinker with for the next decade other than possibly a projector upgrade. The key was planning, understanding intent of space, a ton of research on room isolation and treatment, and reaching out to people who are experts in those domains. But in my case I don't DIY on this part but do so on control systems. I think to each their own and this was equivalent of a car show - who shows up to an 'all-call' request to come is who you get and enjoy the experience.

After 360 it’s just a circle…

It was awesome meeting you at MWAVE! And youthman hit the nail on the head. Also have to consider all the rooms are pretty huge compared to our home theater spaces. So they need more large speakers to pressurize the space and impress us hardcore theater nerds. But yeah totally diminishing returns. I upgraded my projector from a Jvc rs400u to a full 4k Jvc rs2000 and no average non theater nerd friends that have come in my room knew I ever changed the projector.

Hey KSpaceMan, Why was my post removed when nothing offensive was posted, just my personal opinion agreeing with you & just asking for the little guy in the room to have the ability to walk into a show that is affordable to a reasonable price point? I’m not bashing these shows, just that these shows I feel are all for wealthy. You yourself said or felt like everyone brought their best? Not hearing a difference in higher priced speakers?! These RUclips shows on these channels since Covid have changed in the past few years, based on bigger & better. I get it, but the way the economy has been, let’s be realistic….upper class yuppies are buying these products, not your average Joe! I’m sure some of your watchers are going to bash me for what I’m saying, that’s fine! Just remember where you came from.

Another point I would like to add is the "Future" is streaming services (Netflix,Prime...) and both the audio and video is compressed. So spending a hudge amount on audio video equipment makes absolutely no sense to me. Streaming Services such as Disney + and so on only use 5.1.2 Dolby Surround. Makes no sense. That's like spending $100,000 on an audio system and only listening to FM Radio.

The only problem of the dedicated home theatre is that you been cut off from the world . Specially if you have a pc/playstation/xbox in there .... I can easily been forgoten in there for a week just watching movies and playing games. I was telling to my self that when i built my own house i will make a dedicate home theatre but now i am leaning more to a living room theatre sound treated as much i can without loose aesthetics . Finally the most important thing is your woman follow your madness.thats why i married mine 😉

Sure it is good experience to hear these high end systems but let’s face it 90% of HT’s are no where near the cost. These companies are really only appealing to a small subsection of HT enthusiasts.

It’s absolutely true. I have heard several very expensive theaters ranging from Wisdom audio/Trinnov, Kef/Yamaha Seps, and Sonus Faber/McIntosh. These were $100k-$250k theaters and aside from the projector, my $7k ($10k including furniture) set up keeps up and even best the others in some areas. Thankfully I did all that research first to realize I can achieve near the same outcome for a 10th the cost (all gear sound hand).

Once you pass certain amount, you're paying not only for sound quality; you get into industrial design, cabinet and parts exotic materials, finish, exclusivity, etc...

$5000 a pair?! Really!! I’m sticking with POLK! 😂🤣🙃🥳

It is all about the disposable income that you want to invest in your experience. Speakers are only as good as the components supporting them. I went to AXPONA and enjoyed going from room to room. People just need to decide what they are after in their experience.

As much as I'd really go to MWAVE next year it would like me spending a weekend at the Playboy Mansion - look but don't touch - you can't afford any of it.

I've felt the same way watching all these MWave videos. I'd like to go but at some point it's not worth it as nothing there is attainable. It'd be nice to see different price range rooms for each brand. This could the be the same for audio and video there.

As others have mentioned its Law of Diminishing Returns as well the fact that If company X can produce 10x the amount of a speaker they can sell it "cheaper"....while company Y can produce a speaker that is pretty much equal to company X's speaker but they are small company and can only produce a fraction of them....those will cost more. Both speakers are essentially equal in terms of performance. Economics of Scale. For me I can tell the difference between a $100 speaker and a $1000 speaker...maybe(doubtful) even a $10,000 speaker...beyond that its not about performance or sound...its about bragging rights and aesthetics. Then we have things like Kscape which is pretty much entirely about bragging rights since what the product "produces" does not match up to the price.

Careful buddy the Audiophile Army will come after you 😅

Agreed. When speakers are uncalibrated, it's pretty easy to tell the differences between them, especially in the top end, but once they are calibrated to achieve a flat response, it's harder to tell them apart. Maybe at higher spl levels do the more expensive speakers differentiate from other due to higher power handling, less compression and distortion.